hello hello uh good morning and welcome  to the autism 360 podcast the 360 method  a weekly podcast where we talk about  everything autism 360.  every week we catch you up on what’s  going on in the program chatting with  team members and special guests  and talk all things mindset as well as  exploring relevant ideas to autism  parenting  i’m your host ella bailey i’m an autism  360 veteran coach and explorer of all  things parenting  support i have a background um in  behavioral psychology and today  drumroll please



Meet our Guest

i am joined by my most  delightful long-term client isabelle how  are you isabel hi ella i’m really happy  to be here thank you for inviting me  oh that is my pleasure isabel has been  with the program uh for two years so far  and has had awesome success i can’t wait  to uh get into chatting about you and  our kiddos so  welcome to you our lovely listeners um  we’re so glad to have you i can’t wait  to share isabel’s story with you um and  we care about you we care about your  thoughts and your experiences whether  you’re a program member or not we would  love to hear from you so please drop us  a line at hello  uh we love your listener feedback we  love our parent questions um and we  can’t wait to hear what you think  so before we get started i’d like to  acknowledge the gadigal people of the  eora nation on whose land i live and  work and from where this podcast is  being broadcast today um and also just  provide a bit of a disclaimer that this  podcast doesn’t substitute for medical  advice if you do have concerns about  your child or about yourself um please  do contact a medical professional um if  you need support

Isobel’s backstory

so izzy  i can’t wait  not easy not easy actually um ella i  haven’t told you this yet i have a  friend who calls me bella yeah so you  could call me bella and we could be the  bella and ella show  bella and ella’s show we should start  our own podcast  i think we just did  we just did we just did it’s lovely to  see you ella it’s lovely to see you i  can’t wait to  um chat about um your story here on the  program um and share your wisdom with uh  the rest of the the parents listening  why don’t we get started by chatting a  little bit about  your family your background um and what  life was like before you started the  program we’d love to hear  thank you  um so  uh  gosh um  i’m married and have three beautiful  children  um  my eldest who will call eldest is 21 and  he’s off doing independent things  uh then i have ringo um we’re not using  real names for my children are we ella  so we’re using their special nicknames  so we have um ringo who is  nearly 19  and he was diagnosed um  at the age of nine with asperger’s as it  was back then so that’s been an  interesting journey to um  understanding the changes in all those  diagnostic terms and so on and i have  and we have nala  who is um she’s  15. yes and she was uh only diagnosed  with autism  at the age of 12. so um just in 2019 so  both of them um  were  it’s funny in in if you just do a little  bit of reading  um  they’ve both  both come out with really classic kind  of um ringo was that your classic little  uh eight or nine-year-old boy yeah who’d  been a happy  yes quirky um  unusual in some ways but happy little  boy right up until the age  where he then entered year three  and suddenly quirky and funny and a  little bit unusual was weird yeah  and he suddenly realized that he did not  belong in the world and he actually said  that he used to make up his own  um  his own worlds and they were quite  complicated they had currencies and  government and all the rest he used to  tell us talk to us for hours about these  um worlds that he’d created but one day  he  um we knew that he really wasn’t coping  very well at school which was so unusual  because he’d loved he’d actually loved  infants yeah um and one day he just fell  on the ground in his room and said  um i i don’t belong in this world  i’m the only real person and i don’t  belong in this world and that was when  we went okay  right it’s time for us to follow this up  yeah um and then we read  tony atwood’s we we got him you know we  followed it up with a pediatrician and  psychologist and we read tony atwood’s  um  guide to asperger’s and i just cannot  tell you it was tick tick tick tick tick  it made so much sense  and  actually just understanding him  was  pretty much all the therapy any of us  needed at that point  it just blew our minds  blew his mind  you know he was like we were like he  goes oh there are other peop there are  other people like me who feel this way  and we’re like yes there are yeah he  said um  are there girls  are we good  there are yes oh good yeah so excellent  good news that’s right good news that’s  right  um  then um



she was just a happy  little girl um her own unique individual  she was  i guess uh classically as girls are  more  able to follow social conventions yeah  than ringo had been  um  [Music]  she  had her own little obsessions um she had  a  collection of um imaginary friends  but she also had lots of real friends  um  and  yeah it was just actually  um  yeah around year six she started  developing  anxiety which was sort of felt like it  came out of nowhere  it had shown its face every now and then  in a bit of  um separation anxiety when you know if i  went out at night or something she’d  kind of suddenly start screaming that i  had to come back which was very  strange but anyway she developed this  terrible anxiety  and then we moved um at the end of year  six and she had to start a new school in  year seven and and um  and of course puberty and all the rest  and around that age and if you if you  read about um  girls who were diagnosed at this stage  she had some very classic um  sort of symptoms so the anxiety  uh some  soothing repetitive behaviors anxiety  that led to refusal of  participation in all sorts of yeah of  things and and we um we kind of went wow  you know she is very very different to  ringo but we can kind of see where this  is going  and um  and we yeah we found a wonderful  psychologist who diagnosed her and  yeah  i’ve forgotten the question  do i talk  [Laughter]  it’s almost there um  once you see it you don’t know how you  didn’t know yeah you don’t know how you  want to be before yes  yes  and actually i felt really bad because  she had had some pretty significant  sensory um  issues along along the way like as a  little girl she wouldn’t put her feet on  sand  or various other things in fact she  bottom shuffled um and but but with her  with her feet kind of in the air she had  this incredible core  wow  i can’t believe i didn’t take a video of  it honestly it’s just ridiculous back in  the  day i’m sorry um  but yeah and and also um  she had some definite rules in her head  and um  and some obsessions and you know we were  so used to kind of living i guess  already starting to live quite  comfortably with neurodiversity in the  family and because everything was going  really well with ringo and he was back  he had some friends he was doing better  at school he  i think we were just like yeah she’s  just who she is and then looking back i  went oh my goodness it was so obvious  wow um  but then again  you know she was fine yes it’s  and and i’ve said to a few people you  know  down the track um  if if it ain’t breaking broken ain’t  broke i mean  you you seek a diagnosis when you  realize that your child needs help yes  um the diagnosis is not  um just because you want to have a label  or an answer  it’s so that you can actually go okay  where do we go from here in  understanding this wonderful unique  person  in being able to um love her in a way  that  builds her up and and helps her to  um  you know live the best life that she can  live absolutely um and so i guess yeah i  mean i guess  we did it at the time when it needed to  happen  yeah  well and i suppose um you know things  were kind of trucking along as they were  we were embracing the neurodiversity  um not that i knew that word then oh my  goodness i mean you know once so much  yeah yeah um and then  um things started to  uh change a little bit

Things Started to change

from what you’ve described um we were  having some struggle far more anxiety  struggles  we were having some pretty significant  kind of withdrawals kind of into himself  um  and we’re having some  kind of family tensions in general when  we just as you got started the program  do you want to talk about the first time  you ever heard about the program yeah i  actually i i have no idea who  sent me the link yeah i cannot remember  so if you’re out there and you’re  listening and it was you thank you  um but i i i just knew  i knew that we had no idea what we were  facing and how to deal with what was  happening with nyla so there was so much  there was school refusal  extreme anxiety  um  very different to what we’d experienced  with ringo  and um  i i clicked on this link  and i watched this video ash the um he’s  the coordinator isn’t he the the giant  owner of  the yeah the owner  and um in his  own interesting and dramatic kind of way  he he explained the program  and straight away i just went oh my  goodness  there’s going to be someone out there  who can help me  at home  work out  how to manage day-to-day how to help  um  because i i have no idea  what to do so we were we’re in this  situation where  um nala was refusing to go to school  yeah and i was kind of saying you know  to my husband who we call the professor  um  you know she she’s too anxious she can’t  go  um and he was sort of saying we’ve just  got to make her i mean you can’t just  refuse to go to school  um  anyway  i wanted to sign up to the program but  we didn’t have our ndis organized by  then and there were limited spaces and  so we couldn’t get in so that was a big  disappointment to me but i thought okay  let’s push ahead let’s find someone else  to help us so um the professor and i  went off to see another psychologist  together  um and  she said  just go home and get her dressed and  take her to school  and we are really sorry sorry about the  coughing um  it was  i actually almost burst into tears in  the in the consulting room because i  thought she doesn’t understand um  and of course you know my husband was  sort of saying well that’s that’s what  i’m trying to say you know that’s what  we need to do we need to just put our  foot down  but the reality is you you can’t  actually physically make a 12 or 13 year  old girl  um get dressed and get in the car and go  to school she’s she’s not a little girl  anymore and yeah  i  anyway  we um  we did have amazing support at school we  had a wonderful school counsellor she  was  kind  and she totally made me feel validated  you know every time i spoke to her she  she was like i completely understand  what we’ve got it you know but she  didn’t really have any  solution either i mean we we put i think  we put nyla on a reduced um class load  and that helped a bit so she would go  some days and just go to a few classes  um but yeah anyway

Finding and starting the  Autism 360 Program

kind of long story short we got to sort  of november  and  i thought okay we’re going to have to  try and find someone else because this  is a yes sort of november in um 2020  wasn’t it that we started live so it was  a whole it was a whole like nine months  after i first heard about the course  and i got this email in my inbox that  said um  second round applications  my time  i know i sent off my application and i  held my breath now got an email saying  you know um you’re successful and your  therapist will be um your coach will be  ella bailey and i’m like okay cool okay  let’s get started amazing and uh it was  just so validating when you said you  know of course she can’t just  suddenly start going to school five days  a week and do all her classes because  we have to start with small goals and we  have to build up her confidence and her  success you know her strength and we  have to work on her anxiety and  yeah and um  and just that um  the difference of having  you know because the program is all  about empowering the parent  at home i mean  there’s only so much i mean i couldn’t  even get her to see a psychologist we  were in the pandemic  yes we just remember i just found a  psychologist and then we it was supposed  to be online sessions or she wouldn’t  participate in online sessions no um i  remember nyla wouldn’t go to  ot she wouldn’t go to ot because we  walked in it looked like a children’s  playground and she turned you know  basically turned around and said i’m not  going here and  um  you know so that there’s and but even if  she had gone to ot and gone to um her  psychologist  you’re still there at home trying to  work out how to do  make progress  so the fact that we could you know then  talk through exactly what was happening  at home and make a plan for  okay so let’s um  let’s scaffold her let’s enable her  um  to  do this this small goal  and let’s see her build up her  confidence in this and  um  yeah it was amazing so the other thing  that was happening around that time was  a lot of conflict between nala and ringo  yeah  ringo had also had his own big mental  health breakdown around the year 11  exams right yes and so i kept talking  about him and you’re like  why don’t you sign him up i’m like can i  yeah  i remember and i sort of thought oh my  goodness we  we have to get support for this  you know as well don’t we that’s it yeah  yeah so we signed him up and then that  was great because i could legitimately  talk about both of them and they both  had their own time and we could  um  give them the  um kind of thought and  priority that they both deserved yeah  yeah so um yeah i mean um  from my memory we were really working on  how to how to to build up confidence in  you to know that how you were helping  them was the right way for them and that  takes time you know that takes knowing  the family that takes knowing um  you know ringo and nala and it takes um  a little bit of trial and error you know  sometimes we you know might have tried  something and  totally arrived but  can you think of any times where  we really struck gold you really felt

Striking the  gold in the changes

like okay this has  worked this was what we needed to do any  breakthrough strategies that come to  mind  um  breakthrough strategies so  i guess with with nala it really has  been about um  very small  goals around her self-care and  independence yes and  um  like he said  me being confident  so us deciding together  that i was going to draw a line  somewhere  and that she was going to do something  yes um but in in all kindness and in all  and in all with all the support that she  needed  not in a nasty way um  but just that i mean i remember when i  said to her um  you know can you pop your tablets you  know you pop your tablet out of its  container out of its packet and take it  and she fell down on the couch i can’t  do that it’s too hard you don’t  understand i need help  and um and i thought oh maybe i am  asking too much  yes um i i just i just  i just felt lost in in all of that so we  so you and i would make a decision like  um  you know what she’s doing so well going  for little walks around the block with  mom  so let’s um  let’s see if she can just walk the five  minutes to the tennis courts  where she’s meeting some friends that  see if she can walk there on her own so  the strategy was that we had already  done it together  um so it was a as she knew that she was  she knew the way um it was short she was  meeting  um friends but i was going to go the  other way and also meet her there yeah  so so that whole kind of package of  building her up to the to the point  where she where we knew that that she  had been given all the support she  needed now she still said to me i’m  going to get mugged  um and i just you know the depth of her  fear i know we can chuckle that but the  depth of her fear you know  she’s afraid of everything you know  so that that she said i’ll get mugged  and i said um you know i just talked  through how she wouldn’t um  and then uh we left the house at the  same time and i just went one way and  she went the other way and we met up and  i said to her  look at you  you know you you made it here  yeah um and you’re okay  i said let’s walk home she goes  you go the other way mum i like walking  on my own  and i’m like oh  well that’s great i’m really happy you  like walking on your phone  yeah she said right i don’t have to walk  at your pace and your conversation is  really boring and i yeah you know  because she has great interesting things  to think about  but it was like a snap you know we  all this resistance because of that  but we had built her up to this slowly  and gently to this point where she could  do this thing on her own and suddenly  she was okay and now she walks to school  one day alone and she walks um she even  now walks home one day alone oh my  goodness you’ve been very new very i’m  so excited  yes this is very new because this was  the other thing that she  um  yeah this is the other thing i’ve been  working on  actually  you started working with me around um  putting up some boundaries  around my availability yeah because i i  mean i gave up work i think other  parents will be in this situation  um  i mean part of it was due to  kind of the pandemic and other things  going on but at the same time you know  like with home learning home schooling  and all the rest not home schooling but  you know online learning  uh i mean it’s just impossible to juggle  everything  totally obviously there are parents who  have to um  and i was in a position where i could  choose not to have to do that particular  juggle but but then i feel like i just  became this  um slave to the family you know  just to the  um the you know the sense that i was  available and you helped me i remember  with um ringo  going to school i you know i said to him  i  um he was like well you know can you  pick me up at this time can pick me up  this time  um because i’m i’m going to have a short  day here sure you know we would decide  on a short day or something  and you helped me  that i could say to him you know i’ll  drive you to school in the morning  because  um  it’s an early start  um and i’ll pick you up at this time if  you want to come home at a different  time you can catch the bus and just that  sense that i didn’t have to be on call  to him and he can catch buses he that’s  one of the things he loves he can do  public transport really well which is  amazing  um  and so then that progression with with  nala where i could say to her  um you know she sort of said but you are  available you you are available you can  pick me up  and so um yeah i remember you and i we  talked about um  me not necessarily being available  uh and  not not saying to her i don’t want to be  available because that that felt too  much  but actually making myself unavailable  knowing that since she could walk to  school she could walk home  and that she  she just needed that little push  of having to  um  and yeah she’s totally fine now the  first the first that was two weeks ago i  think ella i said um look i have a  meeting i run a play group i have a  playgroup meeting um  i’ll be a little late for pick up and  she goes i’ll just walk home  and i said goodness i said that’s  fantastic um and you told me to leave  her a little treat in the fridge which i  did  because we want to you know just that  lovely reward and encouragement  and then um  when i said to her  um you know asked her how it was she  goes yeah fine oh i ran a bit because i  just want to get home  yeah and then um i said look  it’s possible that that meeting could  become quite a regular thing because  that time suited other people and i  didn’t make that up like i actually  planned the meeting for that time so  that i would be unavailable it wasn’t a  lie and she said that’s fine i’ll walk  home on fridays  oh oh my goodness  and i think for other people  you know for people without for people  with neurotypical kids yeah maybe it’s  hard to understand this but  for people with with kids you know with  high anxiety levels and and um  kids on the spectrum like  that’s that’s just major it was major it  gave me the most incredible sense of  freedom yeah and also delight for her  her yeah that she’d got to the point  where  she could go oh yeah i’m actually fine  doing that do that yes  and i think  um they’re one of the the major  um  comparisons that i feel that i hold on  to when when you know things are tough  or nella’s struggling or  you know ringo’s um you know having his  own challenges is right at the beginning  of the program  you were  um  you described to me  nala’s  emotional  breakdown when you had tried to leave


Managing the challenges

the house on a sunday night  a couple of hours um and it was just you  time um to go and do your own thing for  a couple of hours out of the house and  she was  just brought she could not cope  consider herself being able to manage  yeah  you remember the incident yeah i do i do  because i was going to church that’s the  other thing about  you know this whole journey with the  with the um  the neurodiversity in the family is that  you  you i mean i’m sorry i just  deviated a little bit from your question  but i’ll go back to it it’s just that  that that the the what what you’ve  thinking that the journey that i’ve been  on  is has been so much about learning  to adapt to let go of ideas i may have  had of what our family looked like so at  that time  um  you know my husband was going to church  in the morning like we used to go to  church as a family it was something that  we did you know but then  uh you know and i had this idea that  that’s what our family would do but then  of course  i i didn’t ever expect that church would  be an environment that was too difficult  for my kids to manage  um and i’m really grateful to people who  who are making an effort in this regard  in terms of um  in terms of  you know um  understand yeah inclusive yeah exactly  um so anyway  the professor was going to  um  church in the morning and i was going to  church at night  and  um  nala would  would beg me every night not to go yes i  remember and  i mean sometimes i didn’t even make it  to church sometimes i would i would i  would email you  saying i’m sitting in the car having a  mocha from mcdonald’s in tears but i  still left the house yes i know and it  was something and so your original  question was wasn’t it about my own  ability to keep to my  set  my boundary yeah which was that  she was okay she was home with a father  who loved her and who she loved  she just didn’t want me  she wanted me home because that was part  of her  security package yes but i i needed to  actually get out of the house for a few  hours on my own absolutely all to go to  church and see my friends yes  yeah absolutely and fill your cup  exactly and fill my cup um  but it um  i think  this gorgeous comparison between that  experience of real genuine pain on her  part to not have you there  at that time to  i want to say a month a month or two ago  but even the professor  got to go on a  mini break yes and nyla stayed home by  herself  yes so she cooked for herself she hung  out and she loved it yes so independent  she saw her friends  she got out of the house she went for a  walk she gets some chips with her  friends and yes  yes  joy of oh my gosh  incapacity there oh my gosh it’s just  you know that’s like doing my job to  improve  quality of life for family so you and  the professor got to go away live in  their lives i did  you know and

Sharing it with other parents

yeah i mean i mean  to to to be clear we made sure that  ringo was away as well because  absolutely you know  as much as  i mean  you know they are different people which  is really important to remember  not only they’re different people they  are different people with autism  and um they have so yes there’s a bit of  tension there still  unfortunately um we had grandparents  living in a granny flat so  um we had offered nyla the option of  going and staying with a friend but she  uh really wanted to stay at home in her  own bed with the cats  and  yes oh my goodness she used to cry when  i left the house to go to church you go  to church and then she was pushing you  guys out the door yeah she was going for  your weekend and  loved it like the stark contrast in her  experience yeah of being alone  yes yes that’s right without you is yeah  oh my gosh  just night and day isn’t it and i think  yeah yeah i mean and we’ll talk about  now  where ringo and nala are at in their  journey and  kind of um wrap up after that but yeah i  think that’s such a good example  you know yeah yeah of the increase in  capacity and the  improvement in quality of life yeah nice  enabled yeah  carve out for yourselves um yeah during  your time  yeah  and and the other thing is that she has  been blessed with amazing friends and so  um she actually you know in her little  journey  um and something that’s been so valuable  you know so special for us as her  parents is that  she has a friend who invited her to a  small youth group she now has her own  place that she goes  um she has soccer that she plays you  know and  just  i mean there was a time where we felt  like it was hard to get her out of her  bedroom yeah  absolutely and  yeah it is amazing it is amazing so she  she is doing really well she’s on in on  an almost full load at school yeah we’re  talking about choosing hsc subjects um  i don’t know how we’re going to get her  through year 11 i suspect she will end  up doing pathways uh year 12 over two  years  um  which is perfectly fine with us she’s  she’s not keen on the idea but it’s just  going to  be reality if she can’t manage the  workload  but she’s determined to keep trying  um  now ringo  uh he started pathways so he  he really struggled with year 11.  he then did half of his hsc at school  amazing um graduated with his class and  then started tafe to finish off his hsc  yes and has pulled out okay um  as you know and um  oh my goodness we’re now in this kind of  teen to adult transition yeah absolutely  with a boy who  is also a uh was veg became vegetarian  then now a vegan  but not helping with his own food not  even caring about his own food basically  um a little depressed and a little  unmotivated and  yes we have our work cut out for us  don’t we  and i think  um  kind of the biggest change that’s  happened there is that you no longer  feel like you have nothing to  bring to the situation you have a new  sense of  okay this is a this is a challenge this  is something he needs support with but  i can do that we can do that as a family  we can make we can manage this um we  might not know what it looks like but we  we know that we have something to bring  which totally it’s totally new yeah  you know  um so what what do you want other  parents to know about your experience  about the program about  uh about anything  yeah i mean i  i feel like um  you know like i said the value in the  program has been that  when you’re  when you’re a parent i mean you’re  constantly making decisions  um  you know about and with and for your  children  and when your children and and with with  children who are diagnosed on the autism  spectrum  um there are particular  i mean they’re individuals and i guess  um  i’m not really explaining myself well  sorry ella but basically you’re there 24  7 yes and  you you you want  to see you you know that your amazing  kids have a future  but you don’t know how to help get them  there yeah um because  um  being in this world is tricky yeah for  anyone being in this world if you’re  neurodiverse  and have high levels of anxiety  um or particular  um inter specialized interests  uh it’s it can be really hard work you  know if you have um  significant sensory difficulties  which my kids do  um just just being out in the world is  hard yeah and i i just felt at a loss we  felt at a loss yes um  and so the fact that i could talk to you  every week  and we can say okay what’s our small  goal for this week and then see the  progress and just see the world opening  up yes  for my kids  and also  i mean you know you have been someone  that i’ve been able to burst into tears  with and i’ve been able to laugh with  and sometimes you do have to laugh  because it’s the only way to survive  yeah um and you know i’ve been  completely honest you’ve i’ve also  through all of this i’ve learned i mean  you’re just  just the wealth of knowledge and and the  resources that come from being part of  this program yeah um i  i mean that was how i i worked out gosh  hang on i think i’m a bit like my kids  in some ways  hang on i think i also have adhd and you  saying to me  you know what let’s follow this up  and  you know then together journeying  through my own diagnosis  and what that meant  for my understanding of my kids and and  their needs as as  kids with  not just um autism but adhd as well and  um  yeah  i i’ve it’s just been invaluable and  i’ll probably um still be talking to you  forever  well you know  something that’s probably really  valuable for parents to know is that  um  there’s support out there for teens  you know um  the you know our our team has experience  with  autistic teams  neurodiverse teens parenting teens um  and ringo and nyla have been an amazing  learning experience for me  in  bettering my  knowledge and understanding and and um  approach and being more responsive and  um  et cetera and that’s exactly what we  want the program to be it’s so  incredibly tailored nobody else  has  ringo’s program everybody else has niles  program  other than bella gets bella’s program  you know  and i i love how you know there were  times when you’ve said to me  you know what i’m gonna have to think  about that we’re gonna have to come back  to this next week because this is really  tricky  and um i’ve just valued that you know  because  um  you know also because then i haven’t had  to think about it for the week


i mean of course i have but  you know um just that sense that you’re  willing to say  um  yeah you know what this is new for me as  well as a coach as an autism um expert  um let’s let’s work out how how we can  approach this  and and see the  you know the progress and the benefit  and and just um  you know i know that there’s a lot of  conflict out there around the whole  behavioral approach and so on but  i’ve just experienced only respect  for my kids  there’s no sense in which  they are  valued any less  they are wonderful important and loved  um and unique individuals just like any  child exactly and  the things that we’ve put in place  together  to  um  to help them  to take steps forward in their life  have been  done in a loving and respectful way  um  yeah and i just i really appreciate that  yeah my goodness making me  emotional  okay  thank you ella  thank you i think um  we have some awesome progress to  continue making  um you know uh  parents if you have um questions for  belle if you um want to ring out or you  um you know you have  whatever it might be you know send an  email to hello at  um and we would love to um you know  foster that connection um community is  so so important to us so thank you  thank you i’m more than happy for people  to ask me questions um  through you  and um yeah i thank you everyone for  letting me share my story i really i  really appreciate it oh well it has been  lovely lovely lovely to chat with you  and i wanted to mention that for every  parent um that we get on the podcast  autism 360 actually makes a charity  donation  oh yeah um so we uh donate um one day’s  worth of uh computer literacy education  for an indigenous um  child in a  remote community yeah for every parent  that comes um on to chat with me so  get to make that charity donation today  isn’t that awesome oh that’s fantastic  thank you for telling me that thank you  that’s my pleasure  yeah that’s awesome  so um  yes we will um see everybody well chat  with everybody again next week um and  hopefully i will see you at our next  session i will see you  out at our next session  um have a great week and i will talk to  you then  [Music]  you

The 360 Method:  Isobel's story. Autism 360 parents share
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The 360 Method: Isobel's story. Autism 360 parents share
Our families are what drive us here at Autism360, and this week one of Ella's client Isobel is on the podcast chatting about experience raising two autistic kids, getting her own ADHD diagnosis and working with the Autism360 program. Isobel chats about marriage struggles, autistic identity and raising teens as well as answering questions sent in from other parents. Isobel talks about how she knew the Autism360 program was going to be radically different from her other autism intervention experiences and about the awesome progress both her children have made on the program!
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