welcome to the autism 360 podcast the  360 method a weekly podcast where we  talk about everything autism 360. every  week we catch you up with what’s going  on in the program uh talking to team  members special guests  um and talking all things mindset as  well as everything relevant that autism  parents think about this week I’m so  delighted to Welcome Back Our Guest with  Kirsty wishart from uh starfish Sensory  store  um to talk about sensory support and uh  answer some of the questions that we  have left over from her wonderful guest  speaker series that she’s done with us  here in the program I’m your host Ella  Bailey I’m an Autism 360 veteran coach  and Explorer of all things parenting  support  um and so welcome to our lovely  listeners hooray we care about you and  your thoughts and so whether you’re a  program member or not we would love to  hear from you please drop us a line at  hello we would love your  feedback and if you want Kirsty back  would like to ask some more questions  um then you’ve got to drop us a line so  that we know before we get started I’d  like to acknowledge the guide people of  the Euro Nation on Whose land I live and  work and from where this podcast is  being broadcast today and also make a  disclaimer that this podcast does not  substitute for medical advice if you  have concerns about yourself or about a  loved one please do reach out to an  Allied Health professional it’s so  lovely to have you Kirsty how are you  thank you I’m great and thank you for  having me back this is always such fun  it’s always such fun and such good info  um for what can be a bit of a  bewildering uh landscape for parents  would you say getting in touch with  sensory uh needs and and finding the  items that their kids need do you find  confusion for parents in general I think  it’s always overwhelming when you’re  first starting out and it’s also it can  be a little bit tricky because there’s  not a one-size-fits-all especially


when  it comes to sensory needs  um because people have a sensory diet  that’s unique to them so it’s never  going to be right this is a diagnosis  here’s your prescription it just isn’t  that easy yes you’re right and sometimes  they change even when we do find  something that works it may not stay the  same so true or just when you think oh  yes  or even that afternoon yeah exactly  you’ve got to have a whole host of  strategies in your kit bag yeah a  sensory tool belts  um so I think we should start off with  giving a bit of context what would you  say is one of the main reasons that  autistic people and I guess more broadly  everyone can benefit from having sensory  support in their lives  um number one priority would be to help  regulate totally that would be the  primary reason because uh a fun the  ability to function  um at home or in the community or at  work  is number one underpinned by a healthy  uh level of Regulation if you’re well  regulated you can learn you can  contribute you can communicate if you’re  unregulated or dysregulated  um you’re much more hypersensitive or or  withdrawn  um and it’s much more difficult to do  the things that you want to be able to  do in life whether whatever age you are  yeah yeah absolutely one of the um  things that I’ve learned since working  and learning more about sensory stuff is  that I need to wear my noise canceling  headphones in Aldi  I just find that I can sustain attention  and I feel less stressed if I can just  bring down that input slightly I’m not  listening to anything in the headphones  I’m just tuning everything out yeah my  example I’m not autistic  that said I I know it’s hard to believe  actually an introvert and I’m at a  two-day I know when I’m at a two-day  Expo  especially people that I don’t know and  it’s not very good at Small Talk  um I I use a 305 gram kaiko hand roller  all day all day uh so it’s weighted and  it keeps my hand moving it’s giving me  lots of input in and I often I use it  all day off so much so that I forget  that I’m actually doing it but it would  probably keep  grounded yeah yeah  the things you know you learn about  yourself when you’re learning about  these things right we’ve got um some  really interesting questions left over  from our webinar so I say we just launch  into those and see where it takes us hey  yeah love it one  um that says my child has heaps of  functional skills can communicate  verbally and goes to a mainstream School  uh he’s nine years old however he’s  constantly chewing on his clothing he  chews on the Cuffs of his jumpers and  the collars of his t-shirts any tips or  suggestions yes uh that’s the really  common one yes um when it comes to  clothing so when it comes to chewing and  shoes  um there’s a couple of things that we  first of all When selecting uh  a chew that they might actually use as  an alternative well in terms of like I  have a uh an education background and  and one of the things we use we would  say is if you you don’t tell a child to  stop doing something you need to provide  an alternative because they might  actually stop doing that particular  Behavior take up something worse exactly  you want to provide something that’s  more functional uh more constructive and  um a a healthier option so  what we want to do if we know that that  child is chewing uh to help them  regulate kids and adults do things  instinctively they’re driven towards  items or strategies that will help them  regulate so the fact that they’re  chewing they need to be chewing to help  them regulate usually not always but  usually it’s at surrounding anxiety or  providing because when you’re chewing  you’re actually getting loads of  proprioceptive and vestibular Import in  the in the jaw and it’s very powerful  we naturally chew a lot of people chew  chewing gum  um but the fact that he’s chewing his  clothes they’re getting really wet we



want to provide an alternative so look  at what they’re chewing  and look at how often they’re chewing  look at where in their mouth they’re  chewing so if it is at the front of the  teeth are they using their tongue is it  the back molars are they stretching  their mouth look at how they’re chewing  because that can help guide you when it  comes to selecting the most beneficial  chew so  um with clothing that is not super hard  um so I would go a soft to most shoes  are grated  from a soft if we’re talking Arc which  is probably the best known shoes  um highly regarded by therapists  designed by therapists actually because  that particular brand is run by  therapists Allied Health Services in in  the US  um and the Silicon that they use is is  slightly different to what is used in  the chews that you might get from China  um so and that’s how they actually are  able to grade their shoes they  um they are color-coded according to  level of of  um firmness if you like so there’s s for  soft the ones that we stop there read  and they’re quite flexible they give  quite a bit of um get they have a lot of  give  um they’re fairly bendable I would  probably go that for as a clothing  substitute the next level  is  XT or extra tough so that’s got more  firmness so if you’re a fairly moderate  chewer you might want to go for that if  a chewer is chewing on literally  um iPad cases you know really hard  things and and wearing through those you  definitely want to go the extra extra  tough and  um they they some of those are as hard  as a rock when it comes to the style of  chew  um look at where your child or loved one  or yourself are chewing so if you’re  going to the back molars you want to get  a chew that’s got a good reach  um you might look at say for instance  the brick chews they’ve got a um they’ve  got different textures as well so it  gives a different sensory input as well  depending on your preference  some choose if they’re working their  tongue might have  um like I’m thinking of the Ninja I wish  I had some here but um I could go and  grab them but I don’t want um don’t want  an illusion you listeners  um the ninja  chew has got some for one of a better  word holes in it in the design and that  gives the opportunity for the tongue to  do some work as well  um so you can look at choose and I in  terms of a clothing substitute I would  go soft there are a couple of fabric  chews you can see them on our website  um that are a good alternative as well  because we know that uh that particular  child is seeking out a fairly soft  um flexible  and material so that might be an  alternative and that’s they’re really  easy they have a velcro strap to take  off throw in the wash  um and Bob’s your uncle so you’d  probably want to get a couple they come  in different colors so you can match  school uniforms and things like that  um so that’s another option the other  thing you can do  is what we when we talk about a sensory  diet one of the things that we can do is  schedule oral input through the day so  rather than wait for a child or a person  to become dysregulated and need to chew  because they’re they may be becoming  anxious or they’re in sensory overload  or whatever  um what we can do say in the car on the  way to school we might provide them with  some oral input and it doesn’t have to  be a chew it it could be could be  chewing gum it could be crunchy Foods  um that crunchy foods can be quite  alerting it could be thick shakes  through a thin straw and that’s giving  you loads of heavy work it’s chewy Foods  tend to be more regulating  um so you can have food you can be  blowing bubbles you could be using a um  a you know those  um like they’re party favors and you  blow in the pipe and you could try and  get the ball to land into the little  basket  obviously that depends on safety and  whether it’s a choking hazard and things  like that but there are loads of  different  oral input toys and games and resources  that can provide an alternative as well  to chewing so you could schedule times  during the day to provide  um that oral input to help them be  regulated yeah especially prior to a  situation where you thought that um they  might become disregulated



I hope that  helps yeah there’s some great options  there I think um a real takeaway point  is that proactive strategy right like  we’ll see if we do we are doing that  scheduling and we’re getting in before  there’s a real need for kind of  um really intense chewing on whatever he  can get access to if we can give him a  little bit of input before that  um of a similar kind that’s going to be  helpful amazing thank you we’ve got uh  my four-year-old is constantly moving  around to the extent that we struggle to  get him to sit with us to practice the  things our speech he requires us to  practice do you have any suggestions or  this is one I see a lot the constant  movement like a whirling dervish yes yes  so well interestingly because a lot of  as you would know we run a specialist  tutoring center here yeah  um the last term I had a few parents  that would actually sit in and their kid  would be sitting on like I we at our  desk they’ll just sell the office is  pretty messy but just ignore that but we  we always have  um  spinning chairs yeah anyway  um and the they do they can do a bit of  bouncing as well  um  anyway the parents they often say oh my  goodness sit still sit still and I go no  no they’re fine because by that often  they’re at with working with me or cath  our other tutor you know after they’ve  had a full day of school they’re tired  and naturally and many of our kiddos do  have ADHD  um not all but it’s a high proportion  anyway  um and they’re spinning and they’re  rocking and and I go no they’re actually  doing what they need to do because  vestibular input is waking them up it’s  alerting the the central nervous system  and they’re much more likely to be able  to  um attend to our sessions so I’ve got no  problem with them moving what I would do  is provide  um a way for them to move that also  allows them what in a teaching term we  call academic engage time so so they can  still be working I couldn’t care I’m so  used to It’s Like Water for ducks back  if they’re rocking and spinning I don’t  care because we’re still getting the  work done  um so what I would do is it clearly that  child is is showing you that they need  some vestibular input and also if you do  if there is a task that does require  them to be fairly still I would always  always do some heavy work so one  particular boy that I worked with  um man he was  tough work I had to break out all my  skills so the very first thing we did  we’ve got carpet it’s a short Pile in  the store and we’ve got a double like a  big scooter long scooter board and he  would do um scooter board around all  around our shop while he was saying the  times tables mind you because didn’t  want to waste any time he had so much  heavy work especially on carpet then I’d  pop him into our  um the compression sensory swing the  Harker one and I would always do  rhythmic linear movement so because that  is giving him the vestibular input but  it’s also in a compression swing so he’s  getting a nice full body squeeze but the  linear rhythmic movement is helping him  to ground it’s there’s no um it’s no  coincidence that when we’re with infant  babies trying to get them off to sleep  we do rhythmic movements even the drum  beat for instance on on their back or  bottom for instance  um we just instinctively know to do that  so I would do heavy work I would get  them to do some load up the wheelbarrow  or the shopping from the car get some  heavy work done get a scooter board and  get them doing some fun heavy work make  it hard like yeah don’t make it too easy  on tiles  um and then I would follow it with some  rhythmic swinging if you go yeah but  it’s raining outside I can’t go outside  blah blah use we use in my home we’ve  got a um  a 15  uh China bar from Kmart it holds 100  kilo and I thought oh I betcha that will  fall you know blah blah I bet you it’ll  Mark the paint no it does not it does  not Mark and we’ve got well we moved  into a brand new house and I was a bit  worried about taking it from our old  place not beautiful and so you can also  get a 50 chin up bar from Red Bull it  holds 130 kilo and they  um fit a wider door frame if your door  frames aren’t standard so we’ve got that  at home and we’ve got a compression  swing at home as well so  um



we can easy put that up and down so  easy so if you don’t want to attach a  swing say the compression swing because  it comes with all you need to put into a  beam if you don’t want to do that you  can use a chin up bar and it works rate  I promise even with adults it doesn’t  yeah it works beautifully so I would do  this after I’ve done some heavy work I  would do vestibular linear input and I  would absolutely invest in a spinning  chair not doesn’t have to be expensive  from Ikea that’s where ours came from  and I love them the other thing you  could do if you don’t want to do that is  obviously a wobble cushion  or a Scentsy saddle roll personally I  prefer the sense you settle that’s like  the peanut  um kids can sit on them like a horse and  it does mean they get that bounce  but it’s a little bit more restricted  than of uh an exercise ball because an  exercise ball you can go in multiple  directions  um a sensor saddle roll you tend to go  up and down  um and that way they can still get their  work done  so yeah there’s still a bit of a cunning  yeah Choice there  um yeah so they are definitely they are  not they work it works yes always follow  vestibular with proprioceptive input by  the way okay  do your vestibular input and your heavy  work which is actually probe as well but  um always follow it with probe yeah a  squeeze compression vibration massager  you know they’re 20 bucks they’re enough  they’re um so cheap great option for  proprioceptive input all right sorry  amazing oh I love that there’s so many  kind of practical things that this  family can yeah yeah absolutely we’ve  got one from a teen parent now teen  parents are uh I think uh lots of things  that we can do with our younger kids our  teens will stop accepting after a while  they’ll not be on board so we’ve got a  teen parent um who’s saying that they  have a teen who used to hugely benefit  from a regular sensory diet when she was  younger she was regulated by both  proprioceptive input in the form of  heavy work and Swinging however now  she’s a teenager and she doesn’t want to  engage in those activities and this mum  can tell that her teens regulation is  suffering and is wondering you know have  you dealt with this what do you do  suggestion yes okay I need to have a  little think about alternative  vestibular input  teenagers but proprioception I would  definitely be looking at a cloud sack  um if you have ndis funding  um and your plan managed or self-managed  go direct to Cloud Sac because it’s  cheaper frankly than to go through  someone else like us if your agency  managed you you have to go through  someone like our business but otherwise  go direct Cloud sat teenagers and young  adults love them and they are basically  a very fancy large  um bean bag without the noise so you get  in and it gives you a nice full body  squeeze just a word of warning with  Cloud sex and similar when they say kids  that’s the smallest one it still fits to  an adult  um I can’t remember all the sizes Mondo  might be the next one Grande might and  you think




oh yeah I’ve got a big  strapping you know 17 year old I’ll get  the Grande it’ll take half their bedroom  up and oh you’ve you you actually see it  because I belong to a few like Facebook  um autism groups and stuff like that and  you’ve seen them all the time people  trying to get rid of them because they  take too much room up  um yeah just be careful measure up just  be aware of how big they are but that is  a really good one for teenagers and that  age-appropriate sort of appeal the other  thing I would do is look at kaiko  um so there’s Coco products and not just  fidgets even though they started out as  fidgets many of their products do  provide  um what I would call targeted  um deep pressure and sometimes weight  like the hand rollers  um they are designed for teenagers and  adults with in mind so they they are the  places that I would go to we do sell a  lot of their products  um not all their range but most of it  um so in terms of proprioceptive input  we’re looking for weight so the hand  rollers  um the another one that’s really cool is  the wheel spinner  um I just love that one so it’s one of  my favorites because you can take it’s  it’s like a very fancy you know fidget  spinner but you can take some of the  arms off and when you take one it gives  you this wobble that’s gives so much  it was cool  um uh proprioceptive important you can  feel it it’s very cool  um almost like a vibration  um and a beating  um another one that gives  um targeted uh deep pressure input so  proprioceptive input is the spiky now  the spiky is a ring it’s like a very  tight old-fashioned telephone chord  basically and you roll them up and down  your fingers but they give a lot of  pressure  they’re taught  um so you roll them up and down your  fingers or you put them in the palm of  your hand you squeeze it a lot of the  people that find these ones helpful tend  to be those that are highly anxious or  they bite their nails they pick the skin  they self-harm they bite  Etc  um so it’s a safe way of providing quite  an intense  targeted deep pressure but without  breaking the skin that was so successful  that they actually brought out the wrist  spikes that are like a bangle and once  again you roll them up and down but I  like I actually quite like them so I  guess it says something about me but um  I like flicking it  um and you can get different sizes in in  those so they’re giving proprioceptive  input  um those are the things that I’d be  looking and they’re so kaiko is  um designed by an OT who’s has two sons  that are teenagers that are neurodiverse  um yes so they were looking for items  that weren’t baby-ish frankly that were  cool that almost like industrial look  that you’d be you wouldn’t care if  people saw you with it  um but many of them are very discreet so  they’d be the another thing that I’d be  looking at  um in terms of vestibular ways to  provide vestibular input for a teenager  and adult as I’m here with you I’m  spinning I’m I’m I would look at a type  of chair like  um they don’t even  um and they will gravitate towards so I  would be looking at something like what  I’m on  um to provide that vestibular input but  in a very appropriate  um discreet way  um  anything that has your head moving  or working against gravity is providing  vestibular input hence rocking hence  hanging upside down hence spinning  um anything that is challenging our  balance is challenging our and holding  our head upright is challenging our  vestibular system  yeah and I’m just wondering what  activities might be a good one like  gymnastics and things  um  yeah  yeah  that that’s a little yeah after school  or after work or whenever I’m just  trying to think of  hobbies and things that or or sports or  whatever that might challenge like be a  good vestibular  um almost like plugging it in through  their day or their week so they’re  getting that vestibular input  yeah but in a really constructive  um why yeah I had a Teen family who um  their boy went to parkour classes damn  right yeah so he um did that I think two  afternoons a week and so he was kind of  bouncing from wall to wall and um really  using his body to move himself around in  space  um and because it was a basically a solo  sport you don’t need to do a whole bunch  of chatting with people or distraction  in that way he found that a really  um good option for his his regulation  and again it’s quite cool you know it’s  a bit it’s a bit funky teens love that  totally totally yeah I suppose you know  those um I mean it’s I guess it’s it’s  something an activity that you could do  once or twice a week but even those  trampoline yeah absolutely they’d be  fantastic but they do tend whether  there’s time of days that I’m that are  for teenagers and adults because in the  mornings they’re sort of overrun by  little kiddos which is great for them  um but yeah just but in terms of having  practical uh vestibular way  um input at home when they’re sort of  aged out of swings although



do you ever  really age out of a swing I don’t I  don’t think we do I think we love things  forever one thing you could do like like  I know um at Audi recently they had one  of those hanging baskets on a stand  because we’ve got one at home hanging on  our back deck and every now and then we  swap it out for when the kids are over  with the Haka compression swing  um but I reckon nearly every day I have  my coffee out in that that hanging  basket and I’m just rocking yeah maybe I  can self-diagnose but um anyway  um certainly that’s a really  age-appropriate way to provide yeah  getting away from the more childish  swings to something that’s more well  that is designed for adults yeah  absolutely that’s a great one and we’ve  got a final question here that is  something that I hear a lot  um you know from all kinds of parents  who kids who have all kinds of different  um sensory needs and it comes a lot  after I’ve suggested something to them  like a swing or or whatever and it’s  that I’m constantly told different  things about what is okay to charge for  and what isn’t for sensory items on the  ndis what um I wanted to get my child  something to climb on as when he’s  heightened he wants to climb everything  what do I do I keep getting mixed  messages do you hear this a lot as well  you’re nodding like you do  all the time on the daily yeah and  sometimes  we absolutely know what they’ve been  told is incorrect either by a plan  manager or whatever  so there is a lot of misinformation out  there  um and but the okay a couple of things  the good news is if you are say for  instance your plan is plan managed and  you keep getting  um told no  um ndis won’t fund sensory items that is  not true there is nothing in the  legislation that says that you cannot  purchase uh sensory items with your ndis  funding that is not true  I will just say though plan managers are  responsible for if they put and so say  um a business like us sends a plan  manager for a a customer they send they  put an order in online and we send an  invoice to the plan manager and the plan  manager  um approves it and makes the payment  um then the items go off to the customer  it’s all pretty sweet that’s how it  works  um if the plan manager gets audited and  the ndia say to them  uh how come you paid that invoice they  should not have been able to buy that  item or those items or whatever uh no  we’re not going to give you that money  and the plan manager Rings a customer  and says um or their client uh ngis  refused to pay can you pay us the money  and the customer says no I don’t have  that money so the plan manager gets has  to bear the cost of that so that is  tends to be why they many plan managers  are being very very cautious  um  do you need a letter from an Allied  Health professional  or a low-cost low-risk  assisted technology and consumable item  no you should not then that’s that’s  crazy that’s like that letter could cost  you 185 or 280 or whatever to get not to  mention the time and your kiddo needed  that item now that’s absurd the item  itself might have been I don’t know  fifty dollars or and you’re spending 300  or 100 200 for a letter to justify a  low-cost low-risk item no okay so  um that just keep that in mind when  you’re making your purchases or your  choices if you are self-managed you do  have a whole lot more choice and control  even though we are ndia so we are  providers so it’s great for us if  everybody is agency



managed because then  they need to purchase from businesses  like ours but even though that’s the  case we do tend to encourage people to  self-manage  the core part of their funding or at  least the consumables because you can  then purchase items from wherever you  need to meet your child or loved ones or  your own  um needs there is a difference between  when you have your planning meeting and  you say this is what I’m going to need  and your lack puts it in and and you  receive your funding package that is  very different to how you choose to  spend or use your funding on the goods  and services that you need  so what the ndis will fund in a planning  stage is very different to how you can  spend your funding once you’ve got it  so just keep that very separate so when  you’re in a planning meeting obviously  you need to be saying this is the goals  in my plan and I’m going to need this to  make that happen once you’ve got your  funding  how that is used is actually if your  self-managed is up to you how do you  then make choices  um there is a can I buy a checklist on  the  um ndis website but I’ve got a better  one  um give me two seconds I’m just going to  get off the wall  um  amazing we love a good  um just a simple clear checklist I think  it’s kind of inflation that people need  that’s exactly right I’m going to hold  up to the camera just there I don’t see  that yeah I can see it and for those who  are listening we will pop a link to it  in the show notes for you to have access  to it says what can I spend my can I  spend my ndis money on this yes no and  then different examples love it what I  would say that is a that is a  modification of the one that is on the  ndis website and it was done by the  growing space so do you follow the  growing space I don’t but I clearly  should oh my goodness they are they are  I just I feel like I’m a disciple  actually amazing yeah so the growing  space is  um run by a Sam payer and she is she has  lived experience with disabilities she  has a son with that is neurodiverse and  a son who has down since syndrome  they’re in their 20s she’s been there  done that she is on The ndis Advisory  Board and I she really knows her stuff  she runs the growing space which started  out well is a support coordination  service based in Adelaide and she only  ever employs people with lived  experience of disabilities  and these days they have people all  around Australia  um so this list oh you must follow her  on Instagram or Facebook and she runs  workshops on can I buy it  that’s what it’s called and I’ve done  the workshop twice we hosted one here  Sam flew up from Adelaide and we had one  we hosted  um a seminar here so it’s a couple of  hours awesome maybe it costs 120 best  120 you’ll ever spend when it comes to  the ndis you’ll feel so much more  empowered  um but just very quickly can you buy the  item if you’ve got funding under  consumables that is uh for court sorry  I’m in core under consumables if you’ve  got young children and you because often  not always but often you’ll find I don’t  know why but it seems to be the case at  the moment the trend  um children are not getting  any funding under core if they’re young  children because most of the funding is  in capacity building for therapy  um that’s uh crazy really because we  know that we need to provide lots of  supports at home to support the therapy  that they’re doing once a fortnight  anyway  um hopefully that will change but  because of that anomaly they have there  is the capacity to have an amount of  funds allocated under capacity building  for low-cost low risk for consumables  basically so just be aware like if they  say oh no you get no funding for  consumables if you’ve got a  three-year-old you can but you need to  Advocate you need to know that but  anyway let’s just say you’ve got funding  under core for consumables very first  thing you need to ask is the item that  you are purchasing  or wanting to purchase is it disability  related  that’s your number one like if you have  twins and one has a disability and one  doesn’t would you be buying this item  for the child that doesn’t have a  disability  well if you say yes well  you have to wonder like if you were  going to be uh do is this I should you  be buying that item anyway for your  child with a disability  so your number one question is is the  item you’re wanting to buy would you be  buying that if your child didn’t have a  disability  so num the things that you’d be looking  at are their level of need  um and  um and the other thing is the age so so  um if you if I was a 19 year old and I  couldn’t leave the house without a form  of stress ball  yes I would imagine I should be able to  use my ndis funding because  okay maybe you expect a seven-year-old  to have a fidget spinner because they  were a trend like you but you don’t  expect a 19 year old to have one  um that is disability related  um so that’s unique number one is it  disability related and if you need to be  buying that and you wouldn’t normally be  buying that if your child didn’t have a  disability that’s your number one  question so just know that what the ndis  fund and how you choose to spend that  funding are two different things and  this checklist that  um is available from the growing space  um and so is their workshops please  please do it you will feel so much more  confident that’s your number one  question  um of course there’s um other things



like you know is it working towards the  goals of the plan  um is it cost effective like the  interests aren’t going to be paying for  a gold and diamond started fidget  spinner  um I know I’m being a little bit  facetious but you know what I mean it  needs to be a an affordable cost  effective it needs to not be funded by  another government body that’s why you  can’t get tutoring  um within or you shouldn’t get tutoring  with ndis funding because there’s a  government body that’s called schools  um  even though  many of us would know that um yeah it’s  a it can be a battle to in the schooling  system to get the supports that your  child needs  um if they have significant needs  um yeah anyway that’s another that’s  another conversation  um they they are the most  pertinent there’s one two three four  five six seven questions and if you can  tick yes to all of those  um then it’s highly likely you could use  your ndis funding can I say definitively  no because every circumstance is  different  um but that checklist will and that I  would definitely recommend doing the  workshop  um would give you so much more  confidence if there was anything tricky  um or your plan manager said no you  cannot purchase that harkler compression  swing look  um most families do not have a harkler  compression swing  mounted on a chin nut bar in their home  it is disability related like that’s not  yeah most people don’t have that  um and if the your plan manager for  instance is saying no  no you guys don’t fund swings that’s not  true they don’t  they don’t it’s not in the legislation  um what I would do is I would go through  and go through that and I would put on  my reasoning down so if there was  anything that you were sort of a little  bit  uh not the gray area you’re not sure go  through this and put your justifications  on that and send and send that through  to your plan manager and if they say no  we’re still not funding it we go you  know what it’s not your money  um I know you are responsible for making  the payments but I’m actually going to  change my plan manager or I’m going to  go self-managed if you in good  conscience can complete that and you’ve  got your reasoning there  yeah go for it  um that said as I said there is no  definitive answer yeah the whole beauty  of the ndis is that was meant to give  people choice and control yeah that also  does mean that there’s no definitive  black and white because everybody is  different yes yeah absolutely and I  think that that’s why it can be so  confusing for people who are trying to  kind of understand what they can and  can’t do but I love that those resources  are available and I will make sure that  um the links and stuff are available in  the show notes for everybody listening  to the podcast thank you for coming and  chatting with me today Kirsty I so  appreciate your time such a wealth of  knowledge  um and I’m sure that we can  um you know we’ll get some interesting  questions and come back and tease your  brain again I’d love that I love  chatting with you you’re so good at what  you do oh stop it  that would be awesome thank you  um so thank you for listening uh this  week to the autism 360 podcast next week  we’ll be back with another topic that’s  relevant to things that autism parents  think about and until then think 360

Sensory Strategies and funding Challenges!
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Sensory Strategies and funding Challenges!
Guest Speaker Kirstie Wishart answers carer questions about sensory strategies, the items that can help with common regulation struggles and why it can be so confusing to have our sensory items funded by the NDIA.
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